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--- new_email_list [2018.08.04 15:24] – created Steve Isenberg
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+[[lexingtoncomputergroup|return to LCTG home]]
+=====October 2019 Need To Leave Yahoo Groups=====
+====Plans for the switch====
+===Email list===
+|Get email addresses from Yahoo Group|
+|Create new group|DONE|List address (for posting messages) is: ''LCTG@toku.us'' (or ''LCTG@lists.toku.us'')|
+|Test new group, send email to it and see it distribute message to select test subjects|
+|Add all current Yahoo group's email addresses to the new group|
+|Send message to Yahoo Group saying we are switching and give new address|
+|Add list address for new group to the YahooGroup (so email sent to old Yahoo group will go to new group for distribution|
+|Set all members of current Yahoo group so not receive email (means we rely on new group)|
+===Files stored on Yahoo Groups===
+|Need to download all of the documents/files to non-yahoo space|CharlyS did this?  Verify|
+|Find place and way to store all of these files (Steve's Wiki?  Elsewhere? Need to decide)|
+===Using new list===
+  * To send to the list, send to: ''LCTG@toku.us'' or alternatively to ''LexingtonComputerGroup@toku.us''
+  * New members:
+    * Using email address they want to subscribe to list, send blank message to: ''LCTG-join@toku.us''
+    * Moderators will receive message saying person wants to join
+    * Moderator can qualify potential member
+    * Moderator can approve the membership and they're added to the list
+  * Members can access archives by visiting ''http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us'' and clicking on LCTG Archives
+  * Members can remove their list membership by sending email to ''LCTG-leave@toku.us''
+===Subcommittee members===
+  * Bob Melanson
+  * Bob Primak
+  * CharlyS
+  * Evie Isenberg
+  * Harry Forsdick
+  * Jonathan Goode
+  * John Rudy
+  * Lynnell Stern
+  * Peter Albin
+  * Steve Isenberg
+----
+====Older material====
+^Category^Needs^Post-Yahoo Groups Solution^
+|Email List|Way to add/delete members.|
+|Email List|Must support multiple person management|
+|Email List|Archiving of messages and way for later lookup.|
+|File Storage|Way to save presentation handouts|(this wiki)|
+|Videos of presentations|Way to collect links to presentations|(this wiki)|
+Other needs
+^Need^Solution^
+|Transition mailing list to new spot|Can do by export list and import at new spot if new spot allows|
+|Transition email history to new spot|
+|Transition archived files to new spot|
+====Hosting Options====
+Options from [[https://lifehacker.com/how-to-save-and-migrate-your-yahoo-groups-data-before-i-1839172243]]
+^ Option                      ^ Cost                                  ^ Notes                                                                                         ^
+| Groups.io                   | $110/yr (or is it $220; for premium)  |                                                                                               |
+| Google Groups               |                                       |                                                                                               |
+| <del>Facebook</del>                    |                                       | works like usual Facebook feed                                                               |
+| Discord                     |                                       | Mostly for gaming and live interactions like when you're playing a game; voice and text chat  |
+| Slack                       | free                                  | 5GB file storage; saves 10k messages, searchable                                              |
+| Dreamhost discussion group  | free (part of Steve's subscription)   | Uses Mailman interface                                                                        |
+===Groups.io notes===
+Another email list/group is transferring to groups.io and here is information they've shared with me. (Thanks CH)
+  * Their group is restricted, like YahooGroups, moderators must approve members
+  * The group has a private message archive, only new members require message approval
+  * Info: [[https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation]] and [[https://groups.io/static/help#suboptions]]
+  * That group does not need calendars, chat, or database
+  * They will consider Hashtags and Subgroups later
+  * There are features for Wiki and Polls which they can enable later
+  * It's likely that everyone will get an invite from groups.io
+  * Some concern/curiosity that cost may be more than $110
+  * More answers available at [[https://www.google.com/search?q=support@groups.io&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us]]
+  * Groups.io cannot get your Yahoo password so each member will need a password for Groups.io
+  * Regarding transfer to groups.io, groups.io says in brief: transfer requests must be given the go-ahead by 12/1/2019 as they cannot guarantee transfers submitted after that date.  Also it appears that most Photos sections are currently [as of 10/19/2019] having an outage and it isn't known if they'll be restored prior to that deadline.
+===Dreamhost notes===
+Dreamhost is a ISP (Internet Service Provider) that offers free services to 501c3 organizations.  I (Steve Isenberg) own an account there (I pay for it) and it is no added cost to me to create another email list and to store files there.
+  * Dreamhost uses the Mailman email interface that provides good email list management, and management of the list can be handled by several people, not just me.
+  * As with groups.io, each member of the list would have a password and would be able to manage their subscription.  The password would not come from Yahoo.
+  * Files would be stored as part of the wiki I also have for LCTG; although there may be other options we could explore.
+=====Older Discussion on the Topic=====
+//From Late 2018 - Early 2019//
 ====Desirables for new email list====
 Currently considering Steve Isenberg's Dreamhost discussion list, lexingtoncomputergroup@toku.us