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--- new_email_list [2019.10.19 06:24] – [Hosting Options] Steve Isenberg
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 =====October 2019 Need To Leave Yahoo Groups=====
 ====What Do We Need====
-  - Email list
+Capture what we need for the future\\
-    - Add/delete members
+Set up some email group for communication\\
-    - Archive messages for later lookup
-  - File storage
+^Need^Satisfied by^
-    - way to save presentation handouts
+|Pull existing documents/files from Yahoo to a safer place| CharlyS|
-    - way to save videos of presentations
+|Provide way to send messages | create new group (Dreamhost?), put all email addresses there, remove all email addresses from Yahoo, add single email address to point to new group|
+|Way to archive message|(Comes with Dreamhost)|
+Specifics on what to do, send to:\\
+CharlyS\\
+Jonathan Goode\\
+Bob Melanson\\
+Peter Albin\\
+Harry Forsdick\\
+John Rudy\\
+Bob Primak\\
+Lynnell Stern
+^Category^Needs^Post-Yahoo Groups Solution^
+|Email List|Way to add/delete members.|
+|Email List|Must support multiple person management|
+|Email List|Archiving of messages and way for later lookup.|
+|File Storage|Way to save presentation handouts|(this wiki)|
+|Videos of presentations|Way to collect links to presentations|(this wiki)|
+Other needs
+^Need^Solution^
+|Transition mailing list to new spot|Can do by export list and import at new spot if new spot allows|
+|Transition email history to new spot|
+|Transition archived files to new spot|
 ====Hosting Options====
 Options from [[https://lifehacker.com/how-to-save-and-migrate-your-yahoo-groups-data-before-i-1839172243]]
-^Option^Cost^Notes^
+^ Option                      ^ Cost                                  ^ Notes                                                                                         ^
-|Groups.io|$110/yr|
+| Groups.io                   | $110/yr (or is it $220; for premium)  |                                                                                               |
-|Google Groups|
+| Google Groups               |                                       |                                                                                               |
-|Facebook| |works like usual Facebook feed|
+| <del>Facebook</del>                    |                                       | works like usual Facebook feed                                                               |
-|Discord| |Mostly for gaming and live interactions like when you're playing a game; voice and text chat|
+| Discord                     |                                       | Mostly for gaming and live interactions like when you're playing a game; voice and text chat  |
-|Slack|free|5GB file storage; saves 10k messages, searchable|
+| Slack                       | free                                  | 5GB file storage; saves 10k messages, searchable                                              |
-|Dreamhost discussion group|free (part of Steve's subscription)|Uses Mailman interface|
+| Dreamhost discussion group  | free (part of Steve's subscription)   | Uses Mailman interface                                                                        |
+===Groups.io notes===
+Another email list/group is transferring to groups.io and here is information they've shared with me. (Thanks CH)
+  * Their group is restricted, like YahooGroups, moderators must approve members
+  * The group has a private message archive, only new members require message approval
+  * Info: [[https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation]] and [[https://groups.io/static/help#suboptions]]
+  * That group does not need calendars, chat, or database
+  * They will consider Hashtags and Subgroups later
+  * There are features for Wiki and Polls which they can enable later
+  * It's likely that everyone will get an invite from groups.io
+  * Some concern/curiosity that cost may be more than $110
+  * More answers available at [[https://www.google.com/search?q=support@groups.io&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us]]
+  * Groups.io cannot get your Yahoo password so each member will need a password for Groups.io
+  * Regarding transfer to groups.io, groups.io says in brief: transfer requests must be given the go-ahead by 12/1/2019 as they cannot guarantee transfers submitted after that date.  Also it appears that most Photos sections are currently [as of 10/19/2019] having an outage and it isn't known if they'll be restored prior to that deadline.
+===Dreamhost notes===
+Dreamhost is a ISP (Internet Service Provider) that offers free services to 501c3 organizations.  I (Steve Isenberg) own an account there (I pay for it) and it is no added cost to me to create another email list and to store files there.
+  * Dreamhost uses the Mailman email interface that provides good email list management, and management of the list can be handled by several people, not just me.
+  * As with groups.io, each member of the list would have a password and would be able to manage their subscription.  The password would not come from Yahoo.
+  * Files would be stored as part of the wiki I also have for LCTG; although there may be other options we could explore.
 =====Older Discussion on the Topic=====
 //From Late 2018 - Early 2019//