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Ask your administrator if you think this is wrong. ~~NOCACHE~~=====Switching eMail List Server for LCTG===== ===How it used to be, using Yahoo Groups=== * Yahoo Groups email list * Yahoo Groups maintained history of email messages * Yahoo Groups held posted presentation files * We had thought about switching away, always too much trouble, no real reason to switch * Steve set up a Wiki page containing presentation videos and materials * Everything was working OK and we could worry about other things (what's for dinner, etc) ===So why did we need to change away from Yahoo Groups?=== * Yahoo pushed the point! * They announced they'd stop providing many services late last year (2019) * They'll stop storing email messages and delete older ones * They'll stop allowing file storage and delete ones stored * They'll change the way the email list works and how it's managed * As of the end of 2019, they have deleted all files and message history from YahooGroups ===What Could We Do?=== When we learned this what YahooGroups was planning... * We formed committee to discuss alternatives * Groups.io and Steve's Mailman service & Wiki were considered * We perceived costs associated with switching to Groups.io * We noted No costs other than sweat for switching to Steve's Mailman and Wiki * Steve was willing to put in the sweat to effect the switch * Committee decided to give Steve's option a try * Committee agreed that we could switch to another option later ====How was the transfer effected?==== Protect the past and set up for the future ===First...Just-In-Case actions=== * Steve grabbed a list of YahooGroup emails and names * CharlyS grabbed the presentation files from YahooGroup * Steve grabbed the entire YahooGroup message history And we have a bunch of files. Now need to make them useful and replace YahooGroup functionality. ===Set Up the Replacement Mail List=== We had a list of all members on the YahooGroups list. * Created a domain LCTG.toku.us * actually it's a Subdomain of toku.us * Note that ''toku.us'' is a domain owned by Steve, it can be short for "TO Keep Up with US" (maybe?) * Created an email list, LCTG@lists.toku.us * Configured the email list settings * Converted the email addresses CSV file from YahooGroups to a list consisting of ''name <person@email.com>'' needed for Mailman * Banned members - some were banned on YahooGroup, and were set as banned on Mailman * Digest - some members had daily digests of messages on YahooGroup, set this for them on Mailman * Did a bulk add of all emails into Mailman using this converted file At this point, the email list was operational. ===Tweak it=== After it was deployed (put into operation), Steve made tweaks (fixes, improvements) to the configuration, for example: * Remove/eliminate bounce processing * Changed email header line to [Lex Computer & Tech Group/LCTG] (from [LCTG]) * Set moderators as Steve, CharlyS, and JohnR. What are moderator's duties? * Moderate (approve or deny) posts by non-list-members (e.g. spam) * Process and approve (or not) requests to join the email list (also prevents improper use) * This is a low-overhead job (maybe 1 join request/month, maybe 3-4 message moderates/year) * Anyone else want to be a Moderator? ===Posted Files from Older Presentations=== We had a directory with zillions (figuratively) of files from presentations, want to make 'em available somehow * Wanted ease of use to see what's there and access stuff you want * Decided to put these files in the Wiki * decided against FTP server * decided against using cloud storage e.g., Google, Dropbox * Uploaded presentation files from 2007 to 2018 to the Wiki * Created a Wiki page that... * shows all of the files by year * links to each so you can view or download them by clicking * Linked to this page to the LCTG main page on the Wiki * //Note that recent presentation files are on the Wiki and not on this "older files" page// ===What About the Email Message Archive?=== * We have a large file holding old email list messages (100MB+) * Messages are in a raw format, hard to read by most humans * Message file needs processing before you can search and read messages (unless you are a Super Whiz) * (See an extract below) * We are not doing anything with these for now * If you would like a copy of this message archive, let me know * If you would like to help process the messages or extract useful ones, let me know * But is it worthwhile? Is there sufficient benefit? ===LCTG Information Page -- the Wiki [[http://LCTG.toku.us]]=== * Nearly 2 years ago, Steve created a Wiki page holding information: * About the computer group (LCTG) * About upcoming meetings * About past meetings with link to video recording and presentation slides and other materials * Over time he has enhanced this Wiki: * Adding info on how to join the group * How to see past email messages (Mailman system) * How to access past presentations =====Using the New Technology===== Using the current (new) system; you'll find the links here at the bottom of every email you get from the list. ===Email list=== * Send to the list -- send email (from a subscribed email address) to ''LCTG@toku.us'' or ''LCTG@lists.toku.us'' * //Sends from non-subscribed email are Moderated// * Reply to messages -- go to sender of message only * Reply to message going to everyone -- Reply All * View message archives -- go to [[http://lists.toku.us/listinfo.cgi/lctg-toku.us]] * Sign up for the email list -- send email to ''LCTG-subscribe@toku.us'' (this can be you if you're not on the list, or a friend) and include * your full name * town where you live * brief intro and why you're interested in the group, and * topics you might present to the group * Get off the email list -- send email to ''LCTG-unsubscribe@toku.us'' from the email account you want to unsubscribe * Change your subscription * see the link to see/change your list options, at the bottom of emails sent to you * For example: http://lists.toku.us/options.cgi/lctg-toku.us/SuperWhiz@gmail.com (if you are subscribed as SuperWhiz@gmail.com) * On this, your membership (subscription options) page, you can * get your list password sent to you * change your list password * change your email address * turn on/off batch (digest) mode * turn on/off message delivery * get an acknowledgement whenever you send to the list ===Presentation files=== * [[https://wiki.toku.us/doku.php?id=lctgolderfiles]] ====Behind The Curtains==== //Some more technical information for those with inquiring minds// ===The email list CSV format (example) received from YahooGroups=== <code> "Display Name",Email,Status,Delivery,Posting,Joined johndoe,JohnnieDoe@yahoo.com,Member,"Individual Emails",Allowed,"August 31, 2011" Albert Einstein,SuperWhiz@gmail.com,Member,"Individual Emails",Allowed,"November 13, 1938" Dinald Trimp,bigguy@twh.gov,Member,"Daily Digest",Allowed,"January 20, 2017" </code> What it was changed to for entry to the new system <code> johndoe <JohnnieDoe@yahoo.com> Albert Einstein <SuperWhiz@gmail.com> Dinald Trimp <bigguy@twh.gov> </code> After the email addresses were read into Mailman, Steve manually changed subscriptions for those banned and those getting a daily digest. ===Wiki page extract=== Here's what part of the LCTG Wiki page looks like (the table holding past and upcoming meetings) <code> ^ Date^ Topic^ |Jan 1, 2020|//New Year's Day -- no meeting//\\ Your homework this week is to pray (to whichever deity you prefer) for health, wealth, and happiness in the new year.| |Jan 8, 2020| **Ig Nobel 2019 Awards** //awards for dubious inventions// (Peter Albin) [[https://youtu.be/mfzs8ZIPVIA|presentation]] [[https://www.improbable.com/}|link to Improbable Research page]]| </code> ===How Mailman is Administered?=== The list administrator can make changes to the way the list operates and membership data. The user interface provides many pages grouped by function: * General Options * See/change Group name, Administrators, Moderators, Descriptions of group, [ ] message tag, etc * Membership management * List management (manually unsubscribe, set moderation, don't sent messages to, etc, for specific members) * Subscribing and removing members * Archiving options (our messages are archived, available only to members, creating a new volume of messages every month) ====Opening PDFs==== A How-To, from Gary Patrick * Click on the 3-dot "Customize Chrome" icon near the upper right corner of any Chrome page. * Select "settings" and open the "Advanced" portion at the very bottom. * In "Privacy and Security," scroll down to and click on "PDF documents." * Slide the "Download PDF files . . " button to "Off." ====Extract from messages archive, 101.1MB total==== //This shows that the archive isn't really useful as it stands.// <code> From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 1 Return-Path: <jeplewis@yahoo.com> X-Sender: jeplewis@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: LexingtonComputerGroup@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85934 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2007 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2007 21:41:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:41:50 -0000 To: LexingtonComputerGroup@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <fbn7qu+sush@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2-2537035772-2107687812=:0" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "jeplewis" <jeplewis@yahoo.com> Subject: Proposed List of Topics for Presentations 2007/2008 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118236784; y=xpShhNfnSYE26-Qqx7U8MFn2GMM_VanruiZBq2j2QPLrw9o X-Yahoo-Profile: jeplewis --2-2537035772-2107687812=:0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Introduction: In response to requests from members, this is a list of sugge= sted topics for possible presentations for the 2007/2008 season. The list w= as gathered during the first meeting of the season held on Wednesday 5th Se= ptember 2007 Meeing Chaired by Shep Topics For Future Meeings (Not e= dited =96 not formatted) 5th September 2007 General Refresher - Wind= ows XP - basics Spread sheets HowTo Photography Editing Pictures Picasa = / Web Albums - (Volunteer - Paul) Opening the Calculator - Od= ds and Ends on computer use Email - send an article via email Problems in o= pening attachments How to use your browser - Internet Explorer and Firefox= - how to setup and use Searching the web / Get reviews on computer-relate= d equipment - Try PC World How to replace your computer - when the evil da= y comes and your present computer dies. Should you opt for Windows XP or Wi= ndows Vista? Intro to Vista How to move from Windows XP to the Apple Mac = (two ways) Computer Security - HowTo (Volunteer - Paul) Spyware/ Adware/ = Browser Hijacker / Key Logger Anti-virus Anti-Spyware General Interest iTu= nes - Blogs - what are they Stock Market - Digital Camers - how to use /= How to choose one YouTube How to Google Maps / Satelite view / pull your= route away from the Google route Saving your precious data Backups Reco= rding on to CD-ROM and DVD Compiled by Paul Lewis All complaints, suggesti= ons, comments additions, should be addressed to Paul PS. The next meeting w= ill be on 19th September 2007 --2-2537035772-2107687812=:0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Introduction: In response to requests from members, this is a list of sugge= sted topics for possible presentations for the 2007/2008 season. <br>The li= st was gathered during the first meeting of the season held on Wednesday 5t= h September 2007 <br>Meeing Chaired by Shep<br><br><div align=3D"center"><b= > Topics For Future Meeings (Not edited =96 not for= matted)</b><br><b> 5th September 2007</b><br></div>= <br>General Refresher - Windows XP - basics<br><br>Spread sheets HowT= o <br><br>Photography<br>Editing Pictures<br>Picasa / Web Album= s - = (Volunteer - Paul)<br><br>Opening the Calculator - Odds and Ends on = computer use <br>Email - send an article via email<br>Problems in opening a= ttachments<br><br>How to use your browser - Internet Explorer and Firefox -= how to setup and use <br><br>Searching the web / Get reviews on computer-r= elated equipment - Try PC World<br><br>How to replace your computer - when = the evil day comes and your present computer dies.<br>Should you opt for Wi= ndows XP or Windows Vista?<br><br>Intro to Vista<br><br>How to move from Wi= ndows XP to the Apple Mac (two ways)<br><br>Computer Security - HowTo = (Volunteer - Paul)<br>Spyware/ Adware/ Browser Hijacker / Key Logger<br>An= ti-virus Anti-Spyware<br><br>General Interest<br>iTunes - <br><br>Blogs - w= hat are they <br><br>Stock Market - <br><br>Digital Camers - how to use / H= ow to choose one<br><br>YouTube How to <br><br>Google Maps / Satelite view = / pull your route away from the Google route<br><br>Saving your precious da= ta Backups<br><br>Recording on to CD-ROM and DVD <br><br>Compiled by = Paul Lewis<br>All complaints, suggestions, comments additions, should be ad= dressed to Paul <br>PS. The next meeting will be on 19th September 2007<br>= <br><br><br><br><br> --2-2537035772-2107687812=:0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 22 Return-Path: <paul@computerhomehelp.com> </code> etc {{counter|total| page visit| page visits}} Last modified: 2020.01.14 20:42by smismi7