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buy_laptop_sans_windows

Can you buy a laptop and pay less if it doesn't have Windows?

The goal is to buy a laptop that is powerful enough to perform video editing. Without MS Windows if that can save money.

Target Specs

CPUIntel i7 or AMD
Memory16GB
Graphics card
Storage512GB SSD
DisplayFHD 1920×1080
OP SystemNone (plan to install Linux)
PriceUnder $1000 actually closer to $600
SystemCPUMemoryGraphics
Card
Disk
Storage
Display
Res
Op SysCost
Dell XPS 13
link
Intel i7-1195G716GB 4267MHzIntel Iris Xe512GB SSDOLED 3456×2160Ubuntu 20.04
Win 11 Home -$60
$1,859
32GB +$150
Microcenter
You Build Tower
i7-11700
2.5GHz 8 Core
16GBGTX-1650TUF 4GB512GB SSDFHD ext monitorNone$1016.90
NUC Kits (from Intel) not sold to individuals? Prices don't include memory etc and for i7 start at $629
Chromebook repurposed
Dell AlienwareIntel i7-11800H16GB 3200MHzNvidia RTX 3060
6GB GDDR6 Nvidia
512GB SSD15.6“ FHDWindows 11 Home$1729.99
EmperorLinux.comPrices start $1800, $2500 for 16GB 512GB(Toucan T470)
System 76Ryzen 7 5700U 4.3GHz
Pangolin
16GB 3200MHz 500GB SSD 3.5/3.2GB/s?Pop! 20.04LTS
or Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
$1436
Linux Certified
Z1
Intel i7-1165G716GB?500GB SSD14.1” res?Ubuntu or Mint$1554
CostcoIntel i7-1195G716GBIris Xe512GB SSD15.6“ FHD
touchscreen
Windows 11 Home$900
eBay via SlickdealsLenovo Yoga
Ryzen 7 5700U 2GHz
16GBAMD Radeon512GB SSD13.3” FHDWin 11 Home$750 free shipping

responses summarized being used for above research

David Lees

Dell has sold Linux laptops for a long time. For example they offer Ubuntu distribution on many of their machines as an explicitly Windows alternative. For example: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/new-xps-13-developer-edition/spd/xps-13-9310-laptop/ctox139w10p2c3000u

  • RESEARCH: Unfortunately the Dell machine costs $60 to $240 cheaper if it comes with Windows instead of Linux!

Then there is the Chromebook world where all the machines are Linux to start. See: https://www.zdnet.com/article/all-chromebooks-will-also-be-linux-laptops-going-forward/

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Frank Gens

Sounds like you might be a good candidate for a custom-built machine. They do that at Micro Center: https://www.microcenter.com/site/service/instore-service-complete-build.aspx

They claim their custom built machines start at $150 (for pretty stripped down, I’m sure), so what you’re looking for (moderately high-end HW, no OS) may be competitively priced there.

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Larry Wittig

You could consider an Intel NUC kit. You can buy it as a kit (no memory, no storage) or as a complete PC. It comes w/o an operating system. You can pick a range of CPU's, and the graphics are generally integrated unless you buy the top of the range. I'm running Linux Mint 20.2. Bob Primak also has one. https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/12/03/home-showcase-lexingtons-meriam-hill-beauty/#:~:text=Address%3A-,6%20Hayes%20Ave.,-%2C%20Lexington

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Smita Desai

You can try Alienware from Dell. These are gaming machines. Not sure though if they come without Windows.

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Will Roberts

This site may be of help:

https://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/laptop-computers-with-linux-installed-or-preloaded/

Or maybe not.

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

I just [20211204] talked to Liz deMarco who used to have a pretty nice Linux laptop called “pangolin” which she bought specifically as a Linux machine.

She told me it came from https://system76.com

If you go to their site, you will find a number of systems which you can configure to your specific needs as far as processor speed, memory, storage, etc.

Based upon what I saw on their web site, their machines use AMD's ryzen processors and rather than Intel. I don't know if this matters to you. Here is a comparison of the ryzen vs the Intel I7.

They System76 machines are not inexpensive, but she says their quality is excellent and the company specifically works with people wanting a Linux based product.

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Marvin Menzin

my wife gets custom laptops from this firm.. no idea whether they do ones without windows but they are an ofher source besides microcenter .. but on line only

Eluktronics

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Jon Dreyer

A few folks recommended that I try a frame.work (Framework) laptop. I'll write more about it soon but I put the “kit” together in about a half hour (most of the time struggling with the tiny wifi antenna wires). Easily installed Ubuntu Linux. Now I'm in the process of moving my stuff over from my mac. First impressions are that it's a great little machine with replaceable parts from reputable manufacturers. Fits together nicely.

Mine's kind of insanely tricked out: 64G RAM, 4T SSD. $2636.

  • RESULTS OF RESEARCH: pending

Rich Moffitt

Keep in mind that OEMs pay between $15 and $50 for the OEM Windows license, so the markup for the consumer is negligible in most cases. Framework looks very good, though it's currently only Intel CPUs and a little more expensive (but upgradeable, which might make it worth the upfront cost).

At the moment, I think AMD Ryzen is top of the heap for non-Apple options (at least until Intel Alder Lake). I bought an ASUS Zephyrus G14 (40GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Ryzen 9 5900HS, RTX 3060) earlier this year in anticipation of chip shortages making a later upgrade potentially impractical. I'm running Fedora 35 on it and the only thing not working in Linux is the fingerprint reader.

With regard to Linux compatibility, the model matters, since compatibility quirks can get in the way. Off the top of my head, Lenovo Legion series and ASUS ROG have decent support.

-Rich

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